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		<title>By: DBC</title>
		<link>http://www.fortliberty.org/global-cooling-revisionist-history.html#comment-1028</link>
		<dc:creator>DBC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I remember the 1970s protesting on campuses around the country.  As usual, the great wisdom of the academia crowd led the charge as the gullible amongst us jumped in line like sheep being lead to slaughter.  Yes, we were entering a man-made ice age. I have to laugh when I read that today&#039;s scientist are blessed with so much more wisdom than those poor slugs from the past.  In a time when I have sincere doubts that America could re-produce the accomplishments of a moon landing in only 8 years, excuse me if I am not overwhelmed by the enlightened knowledge of todays &quot;experts&quot;.  Heck, it has taken 9 years (and running) to figure out what to build on the site of the fallen Twin Towers in NYC.  And our space program has essentially died.  Take your carbon credits and sell them to today&#039;s enlightened flock of sheep.  We&#039;ll be laughing about it once more in about 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I remember the 1970s protesting on campuses around the country.  As usual, the great wisdom of the academia crowd led the charge as the gullible amongst us jumped in line like sheep being lead to slaughter.  Yes, we were entering a man-made ice age. I have to laugh when I read that today&#8217;s scientist are blessed with so much more wisdom than those poor slugs from the past.  In a time when I have sincere doubts that America could re-produce the accomplishments of a moon landing in only 8 years, excuse me if I am not overwhelmed by the enlightened knowledge of todays &#8220;experts&#8221;.  Heck, it has taken 9 years (and running) to figure out what to build on the site of the fallen Twin Towers in NYC.  And our space program has essentially died.  Take your carbon credits and sell them to today&#8217;s enlightened flock of sheep.  We&#8217;ll be laughing about it once more in about 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: John wayne gacy</title>
		<link>http://www.fortliberty.org/global-cooling-revisionist-history.html#comment-1023</link>
		<dc:creator>John wayne gacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Revisionist history is everywhere. The two examples that annoy me the most begin with the one pointed out here. I was in advanced science classes during this time frame and we were forced to do quarter-long projects on the coming ice age (scaaary). The warmenists first response every time I bring this subject up is to deny it occurred, call me a liar, demand links to my class curriculum. Their second response is that of Mr. Wayne, &quot;we&#039;ve matured so much in our knowledge of climate, so, shut up.&quot; He says. Yet, meteorologists this very day, will not predict the current cold front duration past 5 days. Maybe they should consult Mr. Wayne.

The second example is the 5.56 caliber fan boys who shout from the roof tops that there never existed the theory that the 5.56 round was designed to wound instead of kill. Yet, during the cold war, standard U.S. Army training theory was, in fact, that the 5.56 round was designed to wound and we trained thusly. Oddly, all of the hysterical &quot;it never happened&quot;-&quot;5.56 most lethal round eva FTW&quot; guys were not around for that training period.

Both sides of the ideological spectrum, both playing revisionism. I was not aware of the theory that the longer a person lives, the more they become liars. Apparantly, I&#039;m going to be committed before this is over, for the longer I live, the more insane I become in the eyes of the true believers of whatever is important to them that decade...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revisionist history is everywhere. The two examples that annoy me the most begin with the one pointed out here. I was in advanced science classes during this time frame and we were forced to do quarter-long projects on the coming ice age (scaaary). The warmenists first response every time I bring this subject up is to deny it occurred, call me a liar, demand links to my class curriculum. Their second response is that of Mr. Wayne, &#8220;we&#8217;ve matured so much in our knowledge of climate, so, shut up.&#8221; He says. Yet, meteorologists this very day, will not predict the current cold front duration past 5 days. Maybe they should consult Mr. Wayne.</p>
<p>The second example is the 5.56 caliber fan boys who shout from the roof tops that there never existed the theory that the 5.56 round was designed to wound instead of kill. Yet, during the cold war, standard U.S. Army training theory was, in fact, that the 5.56 round was designed to wound and we trained thusly. Oddly, all of the hysterical &#8220;it never happened&#8221;-&#8221;5.56 most lethal round eva FTW&#8221; guys were not around for that training period.</p>
<p>Both sides of the ideological spectrum, both playing revisionism. I was not aware of the theory that the longer a person lives, the more they become liars. Apparantly, I&#8217;m going to be committed before this is over, for the longer I live, the more insane I become in the eyes of the true believers of whatever is important to them that decade&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wrangler Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wrangler Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t rush to judgement.  In the 70&#039;s, the climate knowledge was incomplete.  Man made global warming
appears to be insignificant but not to be confused with man made global environmental degradation in other ways.  We are presently in a repeat Dalton minimum due to the shift of the gravitational center of the solar system outside the sphere of the Sun.  This now routes the Oort Cloud and Kioper Belt debris away from the Sun, hence reduced sunspots.  This minimum will persist until 2020 and if longer, may morph into a new Maunder minimum.  

We now know that CO2 is not a major atmospheric warmer as claimed by the global cooling deniers.
See referenced article below.  The opening conclusions of the paper speak for themselves.   


Carbon Cycle Modelling and the Residence Time of Natural and Anthropogenic Atmospheric CO2:
on the Construction of the&quot;Greenhouse Effect Global Warming&quot; Dogma.
Tom V. Segalstad Mineralogical-Geological Museum University of Oslo
Sars&#039; Gate 1, N-0562 Oslo Norway

Abstract

The three evidences of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), that the apparent contemporary atmospheric CO2 increase is anthropogenic, is discussed and rejected: CO2 measurements from ice cores; CO2 measurements in air; and carbon isotope data in conjunction with carbon cycle modelling.

     It is shown why the ice core method and its results must be rejected; and that current air CO2 measurements are not validated and their results subjectively &quot;edited&quot;. Further it is shown that carbon cycle modelling based on non-equilibrium models, remote from observed reality and chemical laws, made to fit non-representative data through the use of non-linear ocean evasion &quot;buffer&quot; correction factors constructed from a pre-conceived idea, constitute a circular argument and with no scientific validity.

     Both radioactive and stable carbon isotopes show that the real atmospheric CO2 residence time (lifetime) is only about 5 years, and that the amount of fossil-fuel CO2 in the atmosphere is maximum 4%. Any CO2 level rise beyond this can only come from a much larger, but natural, carbon reservoir with much higher 13-C/12-C isotope ratio than that of the fossil fuel pool, namely from the ocean, and/or the lithosphere, and/or the Earth&#039;s interior.


     The apparent annual atmospheric CO2 level increase, postulated to be anthropogenic, would constitute only some 0.2% of the total annual amount of CO2 exchanged naturally between the atmosphere and the ocean plus other natural sources and sinks. It is more probable that such a small ripple in the annual natural flow of CO2 would be caused by natural fluctuations of geophysical processes.

     13-C/12-C isotope mass balance calculations show that IPCC&#039;s atmospheric residence time of 50-200 years make the atmosphere too light (50% of its current CO2 mass) to fit its measured 13-C/12-C isotope ratio. This proves why IPCC&#039;s wrong model creates its artificial 50% &quot;missing sink&quot;. IPCC&#039;s 50% inexplicable &quot;missing sink&quot; of about 3 giga-tonnes carbon annually should have led all governments to reject IPCC&#039;s model. When such rejection has not yet occurred, it beautifully shows the result of the &quot;scare-them-to-death&quot; influence principle.

     IPCC&#039;s &quot;Greenhouse Effect Global Warming&quot; dogma rests on invalid presumptions and a rejectable non-realistic carbon cycle modelling which simply refutes reality, like the existence of carbonated beer or soda &quot;pop&quot; as we know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t rush to judgement.  In the 70&#8242;s, the climate knowledge was incomplete.  Man made global warming<br />
appears to be insignificant but not to be confused with man made global environmental degradation in other ways.  We are presently in a repeat Dalton minimum due to the shift of the gravitational center of the solar system outside the sphere of the Sun.  This now routes the Oort Cloud and Kioper Belt debris away from the Sun, hence reduced sunspots.  This minimum will persist until 2020 and if longer, may morph into a new Maunder minimum.  </p>
<p>We now know that CO2 is not a major atmospheric warmer as claimed by the global cooling deniers.<br />
See referenced article below.  The opening conclusions of the paper speak for themselves.   </p>
<p>Carbon Cycle Modelling and the Residence Time of Natural and Anthropogenic Atmospheric CO2:<br />
on the Construction of the&#8221;Greenhouse Effect Global Warming&#8221; Dogma.<br />
Tom V. Segalstad Mineralogical-Geological Museum University of Oslo<br />
Sars&#8217; Gate 1, N-0562 Oslo Norway</p>
<p>Abstract</p>
<p>The three evidences of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), that the apparent contemporary atmospheric CO2 increase is anthropogenic, is discussed and rejected: CO2 measurements from ice cores; CO2 measurements in air; and carbon isotope data in conjunction with carbon cycle modelling.</p>
<p>     It is shown why the ice core method and its results must be rejected; and that current air CO2 measurements are not validated and their results subjectively &#8220;edited&#8221;. Further it is shown that carbon cycle modelling based on non-equilibrium models, remote from observed reality and chemical laws, made to fit non-representative data through the use of non-linear ocean evasion &#8220;buffer&#8221; correction factors constructed from a pre-conceived idea, constitute a circular argument and with no scientific validity.</p>
<p>     Both radioactive and stable carbon isotopes show that the real atmospheric CO2 residence time (lifetime) is only about 5 years, and that the amount of fossil-fuel CO2 in the atmosphere is maximum 4%. Any CO2 level rise beyond this can only come from a much larger, but natural, carbon reservoir with much higher 13-C/12-C isotope ratio than that of the fossil fuel pool, namely from the ocean, and/or the lithosphere, and/or the Earth&#8217;s interior.</p>
<p>     The apparent annual atmospheric CO2 level increase, postulated to be anthropogenic, would constitute only some 0.2% of the total annual amount of CO2 exchanged naturally between the atmosphere and the ocean plus other natural sources and sinks. It is more probable that such a small ripple in the annual natural flow of CO2 would be caused by natural fluctuations of geophysical processes.</p>
<p>     13-C/12-C isotope mass balance calculations show that IPCC&#8217;s atmospheric residence time of 50-200 years make the atmosphere too light (50% of its current CO2 mass) to fit its measured 13-C/12-C isotope ratio. This proves why IPCC&#8217;s wrong model creates its artificial 50% &#8220;missing sink&#8221;. IPCC&#8217;s 50% inexplicable &#8220;missing sink&#8221; of about 3 giga-tonnes carbon annually should have led all governments to reject IPCC&#8217;s model. When such rejection has not yet occurred, it beautifully shows the result of the &#8220;scare-them-to-death&#8221; influence principle.</p>
<p>     IPCC&#8217;s &#8220;Greenhouse Effect Global Warming&#8221; dogma rests on invalid presumptions and a rejectable non-realistic carbon cycle modelling which simply refutes reality, like the existence of carbonated beer or soda &#8220;pop&#8221; as we know it.</p>
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